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Energy News - Sept. 29 - and a request for input

Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 04:00:44 AM PDT

In today's edition:

  • Rita damages worse than announced
  • Houston evacuation worsened gasoline shortages
  • why the oil companies are not gouging us: the refining crisis
  • US manufacturers losing out because they did not focus on energy efficiency
  • a note about making the Chinese pay for NOLA's rebuilding

and, at the end, a request for input and a call for action.

Recommended reading:

Taonow's diary: American Economic Disaster - An oily Mess - In Plain English. ...
Lupin's diary: America at a crossroads

The diary is pretty long, so if you read only one thing, go to the very bottom

See also the transcript of the Bartlett/Simmons/Deffeyes/Heinlein discussion (it's very long, I'll try to do a summary in the near future)
http://www.energybulletin.net/9242.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/9245.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/9248.html

1) Rita damages worse than announced

I mentioned this yesterday already, with the big article on the damage to the exploration rigs:


The path Katrina took was through the mature areas of the US Gulf where there are mainly oil [production] platforms. Rita came to the west where there is a lot of [exploratory] rig activity

but it appears that it is getting worse and worse:


$6bn storm bill could see premiums rise 400%

Richard Harries, energy underwriter at Atrium, said the cost of insuring offshore facilities in the gulf, including full cover for potential hurricane damage, could rise by 300-400 per cent. However, rate rises could be stemmed by underwriters limiting the cover they provided against potential hurricane damage. The cost of insuring offshore facilities in regions other than the Gulf of Mexico could rise by a minimum of 20-25 per cent, he said.

The latest estimates put total losses from damage to offshore facilities from Katrina at $4.5bn-$5bn, of which $2bn-$3bn could fall across the whole of the commercial insurance market, Mr Harries said. Estimates indicated that the commercial insurance market could incur another $2bn-$3bn in losses from Rita.

"Rita has started off worse than Katrina," in terms of damage to offshore facilities, Mr Harries said. While Katrina had lots of smaller-value platforms in its path, Rita had affected fewer, but higher-value platforms.

So Rita is going to cost as much as Katrina in terms of insured damage to the offshore oil industry - and this will have a significant impact on future production costs. Between finding new rigs, paying for temporary accomodation for its employees and paying for the increased premiums, the oil industry is seeing its costs skyrocket. Remember this graph, which was prepared before Katrina:

Oil - and gas, never forget natural gas - production costs are increasing massively, and bringing the floor on energy prices at increasingly high levels.

2) Houston evacuation worsened gasoline shortages


White House moves to prevent run on petrol

The US petrol market lost close to 80m gallons of petrol in the evacuation of about 3m people from Houston ahead of Hurricane Rita. Although Houston was not hit, forecasters had projected that the fourth-biggest US city would be in the eye of what was then a Category 5 hurricane. That boosted regional demand 4-5 times higher than normal as residents fled, Baker Institute research shows.

In the end, Hurricane Rita released its fury on the Gulf of Mexico drilling area, damaging more offshore rigs than any storm ever, before hitting four refineries on the Texas/Louisiana border.

While damage to rigs, which drill for oil, will drive up future fuel prices, the damage to refineries - on top of the run on petrol in the evacuation - is likely to have an immediate impact at a time when Americans already are seeing petrol for $3 per gallon at the pump.

(...)

The storm cost the US about 5 per cent of US refining capacity, even as another 5 per cent remained offline following Hurricane Katrina. Perhaps more importantly in the short term, however, is the immediate burden placed on the system by last week's massive evacuation of Texas and Louisiana.

It pushed national consumption of petrol to about 6 per cent more than for the week of Labor day, which is considered peak driving time in the US, according to the Baker Institute. That was about 20 per cent higher than normal for this time of year.

Researchers say continued heightened demand will put additional strains on the US petrol distribution system, which was tight even before hurricane season began, with refineries running as close to full capacity as possible. The nation has no refined stores, so the loss of petrol from the evacuation alone could result in higher retail prices.

(...)

Bob Linden of PA Consulting noted that heating oil is going to come into the limelight in coming days, when people begin ordering fuel oil for winter. Refineries that normally would be building inventories of fuel oil have been instead replenishing petrol supplies lost in the hurricanes and the evacuation. That has set the stage for reduced supplies of heating oil that will drive up prices as winter approaches.

Read the article also about the WH's reaction and the political difficulties to tell the truth to Americans. And yet... we are currently seeing emergency reactions to the recent problems, and these are only pushing the real crisis by a few weels or months. We are drawing on emergency supplies, not filling up the normal winter stocks, while running the system at full capacity. It all points to more tensions in the market. Now is the time to be proactive about it.

See the end of the diary for a call for action.

3) Why the oil companies are not gouging us: the refining crisis

Now I'd like to come back again on the "price gouging" accusation against oil companies. I've already written about it (including in yesterday's Cheers ans Jeers thread), but here's a big article on the topic which explains what has been going on:


Blockage in the pipeline

The bottleneck in refining represents a ceiling on production that analysts say could take a decade to overcome, meaning that high prices at the petrol pump could be here to stay.

(...)

Even before Hurricanes Katrina and Rita temporarily took nearly one-quarter of US refining capacity off-line, the global refining system was stretched. According to figures from BP, the oil major, global average refinery utilisation increased to 87 per cent in 2004, the highest level for more than one-quarter of a century. In the US, refineries have been running at a 95 per cent utilisation rate this year, according to Purvin Gertz, the oil consultancy. That level, up from a low of 68.6 per cent in 1981, is considered about the maximum achievable on an annual basis.

One way to measure the soaring demand for oil products is to measure the price gap between a barrel of crude oil and a barrel of refined product, called "crack spreads" in the industry. "The [petrol] crack recorded over the last two weeks has broken all records," said Philip Verleger, an independent energy economist. "Two weeks ago, margins were nine times higher than the 20-year average."

How did we get here? After a construction boom in the 1970s, many refiners were caught by the sudden downturn in demand in the 1980s and profit margins all but vanished. During the 1990s, the refining industry went through a painful process of consolidation, with oil companies selling off plants they saw as outside their core business. Refining margins hovered close to zero, choking off investment in the sector.

(...)

"The US refining and marketing industry has been characterised by unusually low product margins, low profitability, selective retrenchment and substantial restructuring throughout the decade of the 1990s," the US Energy Information Administration summarised in 1999. "Costs involved in complying with environmental laws have grown substantially during the period and have also affected the profitability of the domestic industry. Consequently, refiners' abilities to recoup their investment have been impaired."

At the same time, the quality of the oil that refineries receive has been changing, requiring further outlays. As supplies of easily refined "light, sweet" crude from places such as the North Sea dry up, oil companies are having to upgrade their refineries to handle the heavier and more sulphurous "sour" crude that Opec producers now have to offer.

(...)

Suddenly, for the first time in decades, the refining business is hot - one of the most profitable segments of the global energy business. In the past four years, US refining margins have gone from close to zero to around $23 a barrel. After Hurricane Katrina, margins soared to around $40 a barrel. (...)

So, given the promise of high returns, surely oil companies are falling over themselves to invest?

The article goes on to describe the obstacles to buidling new capacity:

  • regulatory constraints. Finding new sites is not easy, although that could be made simpler by government intervention;
  • refineries are 20 or more year investments. You do not base such a long term investment on short term prices, but on long term scenarios. Oil companies have increased their long term outlooks for oil prices (going from 15-18$/bl to 25-30$/bl in the past 5 years, a significant change), but it will be harder for refining margins, which were essentially at zero for the past 20 years.
  • in any case, any investment decided today will not be available before about 5 years, and will do little for today's prices.


Tempting though it may be for governments under pressure over soaring fuel prices, state intervention is unlikely to help: any new refineries could take between five and ten years to come on-stream. In the meantime, refinery capacity could limit the consumption of oil products and, in turn, the production of crude. Consumers may simply have to adjust.

"The grim reality is that it will take at least a decade [to solve the bottleneck]," said Mr Simmons. "All we can do now is mitigate against getting deeper in a hole."

Shortages are pretty much a certainty in the next 5 years, as little capacity will be added worlwide before 2009, on the basis on investments already under way. And shortages will lead to either skyrocketing prices or rationing.

In the discussion panel I linked to above (the Bartlett/Simmons conference), they note that light oil has already peaked, and refineries need to invest to adapt to 'sour' (sulphur-rich) crude. These investments are even more urgent than capacity increases, as they are needed to maintain capacity in the face of changing oil supply patterns.

4) US manufacturers losing out because they did not focus on energy efficiency


America gets taken to the cleaners

As it happens, Americans are already less profligate with energy than they used to be: you just have to go indoors to realise. There may be a sports utility vehicle in the driveway but the washing machine, the air conditioner and the refrigerator use less power than in the past.

(...)

The problem is that US appliance makers have their roots in the energy-guzzling past. While Americans were happy with inefficient air conditioners, US manufacturers such as Goodman, Fedders and Frigidaire dominated. When they changed their minds, the barriers fell: imported room air-conditioning units went from a 20 per cent share of US sales in 1998 to 97 per cent in 2003.

A similar thing is happening with washing machines. Until recently, Asian and European consumers bought compact front-loaders while Americans were exceptionalists who wanted big machines that were easy to load. They stayed loyal to the top-loading configuration invented by Maytag in 1922 that requires 40 per cent more water and energy.

(...) the trends are ominous: overseas companies captured 14 per cent of US washer sales last year and sales are growing at 75 per cent a year.

This is partly due to the familiar reasons why Asian manufacturers do well in western markets. They are low-cost producers with smaller wage bills and fewer of the healthcare and pension expenses that trouble US companies. Maytag has been stuck in a depressing cycle of cutting jobs to offset rising raw material prices.

But there is another factor: foreign companies are more committed to energy-saving technology than their US counterparts because their domestic markets have demanded it for far longer. (...)

There is a parallel with Detroit, which has gone through periodic bursts of enthusiasm for smaller cars with lower fuel consumption but has always relied for the bulk of its profits on gas-guzzlers. Hybrid engine technology, which US companies are rushing to embrace, emerged from Asian manufacturers such as Toyota and was initially dismissed as a fad that Americans would shun.

US manufacturers are getting hit because they are not used to provide energy-efficient products. So higher energy prices are likely to lead, among other consequences, to increased imports and more "restructuring" in the industrial heartland.

Thus:

5) A note about making the Chinese pay for NOLA's rebuilding


Risk of rebuilding New Orleans in deluge of debt

In the wake of President George W. Bush's recent speech in New Orleans, I have been wondering if anyone has asked the Chinese how they feel about his decision to spend "whatever it costs" to rebuild the city. After all, they are the ones who will have to pay for it.

(...) the entire cost will be added to the $350bn federal budget deficit, driving it close to $600bn. (...) more than 75 per cent [of this deficit] is financed by foreign central banks, among which the People's Bank of China will soon pass the Bank of Japan as the biggest lender.

(...)

The entire US economy is on life support from the PBoC and the BoJ. In 2004, according to the Bank for International Settlements, central banks funded 75 per cent of the US current account deficit. This year, the PBoC alone is likely to cover nearly 40 per cent of it.

(...) Americans are consuming more than they produce and importing more than they export. The resulting trade deficit will be close to $800bn this year. To cover this gap, the US must have a net inflow of capital from abroad of more than $2bn per day and that must come mostly from China and the other Asian countries whose trade surpluses mirror the US deficit. Any slowing of this flow could cause a decline in the dollar, a rise in interest rates, a slowdown in growth, a rise in unemployment and declining home equity and household wealth - in a word, a recession, if not a depression.

So, the USA are losing control of their ability to pay for NOLA reconstruction, buy energy efficient equipment, and avoid recession, and are now relying on the goodwill of foreigners, starting with China, to keep on bailing them out. They've done it because they hitched on the runaway US train to grow their own economy, but it's becoming increasingly unsustainable. And it's all linked to energy.

This diary is already long enough, so I'll stop there (remember, this is just from one paper, one day), and come to my request to you:

6) My call for action

In their last election campaign, Blair's Labour party provided their programme in the form of a credit-card sized manifesto (a "pledge card"), with 6 main commitments on it that made it all very simple and digestible. They then had a slightly longer manifesto detailing what they meant. I would like to prepare the same for Democrats, and would ask for your help there.

What's needed is simple:

  • a small number of bullet points with simple statements on energy (like "energy is a vital national security issue" "encourage renewable energy to create jobs and ensure stable supplies" "guarantee sustainable access to energy to everybody" and so forth

  • a slightly longer manifesto (which should fit on one or two pages) outlining what Dems think of the current situation, what theythink needs to be done, and why they should be trusted to solve the problem.

I'll have a go on my side, using the ideas that you may provide, and use future diaries so that we can polish it together.

Thanks!

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  •  Tip Jar - Sept. 29 (4.00 / 69)

    And yes, I do work once in a while, in case you're wondering. (Reading the FT is part of my job, which helps...)

    And there's more stuff over at the European Tribune!

    •  Lighter reading... (4.00 / 9)


      4WD drivers 'fat, homophobic'

      A new study has found that city owners of large four-wheel-drive vehicles are less community minded than other drivers, less charitable, more likely to be homophobic and have a low opinion of indigenous culture.

      The Australia Institute study has also found they are more likely to use force to get their way.

      Based on a Roy Morgan Research survey in 2003-04 of 24,718 people aged 14 and over, the study found the typical city driver of a large 4WD is a male in his forties or fifties in full-time work with a higher than average income.

      The 4WDs are also far more likely than conventional vehicles to kill or maim other road users, are less fuel efficient, and are resented by other road users.

      Two-thirds of their drivers in the city are overweight or obese.

      They also had a lower regard for the welfare system than the general population.

      (...)

      The survey counted only city drivers of 4WDs, where over half of the vehicles are owned.

      However, drivers of luxury 4WDs are very different.

      They are more likely to be female, in their 30s and 40s, and are more materialistic than other Australians.

      "This group is more than twice as likely as the general population to say, 'I was born to shop' (33 per cent)," the authors said.

      "Born to shop" sounds like a good epitaph for something. It's up to us that it be only the epitaph of an epoch and not a civilisation.

      •  Another good article . . (4.00 / 8)

        From the New Yorker

        January 12, 2004

        SECTION: FACT; Commerce & Culture; Pg. 28

        LENGTH: 4885 words

        HEADLINE: BIG AND BAD;
        How the S.U.V. ran over automotive safety.

        BYLINE: MALCOLM GLADWELL

        Here's snippet

        ". . . internal industry market research concluded that S.U.V.s tend to be bought by people who are insecure, vain, self-centered, and self-absorbed, who are frequently nervous about their marriages, and who lack confidence in their driving skills. Ford's S.U.V. designers took their cues from seeing "fashionably dressed women wearing hiking boots or even work boots while walking through expensive malls." Toyota's top marketing executive in the United States, Bradsher writes, loves to tell the story of how at a focus group in Los Angeles "an elegant woman in the group said that she needed her full-sized Lexus LX 470 to drive up over the curb and onto lawns to park at large parties in Beverly Hills." One of Ford's senior marketing executives was even blunter: "The only time those S.U.V.s are going to be off-road is when they miss the driveway at 3 a.m."

        •  High and Mighty (none / 0)

          That quote is from that book.  Find it.  Read it.  Fume at the stupidity of the government over the breaks that SUVs have gotten over the years since the Chevy Suburban.  

          I am aware of all internet traditions

          by calipygian on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:34:41 AM PDT

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        •  Justifiably Lack Confidence in Driving Skills (none / 0)

          Perhaps I see a bad sample, but they got that one right.
          •  Sad (4.00 / 2)

            It's sad that people with the least confidence driving drive the most destructive vehicles in accidents. I remember reading somewhere (newspaper, Harpers? I forgot where) where some plebian with a SUV mentioned that they drove it because if they got in an accident, they wouldn't get hurt. Too bad about that poor schmuck who's now a greasy stain on the pavement though...

            And yes, the worst drivers I see on my short commute to work usually drive SUVs. Second worse: them damn "sports car" drivers.

            War is young men killing other young men they do not know on the orders of old men who know one another too well.
            - Erwin Kowalke

            by jrm78 on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 06:44:59 AM PDT

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            •  Drive an SUV, go to jail. (none / 0)

              I wonder if this could be used in a push against the damn things - after all, IIRC you're 4 times as likely to kill another driver in an accident if you're in an SUV and something like 12 times as likely to kill a pedestrian. Sure, you'll survive, but shouldn't this be resulting in more prosecutions for dangerous driving fatalities?

              SUVs seem to be amongst the hardest vehicles on the road to drive because of their size, lack of visibility (sure, you can see well out the front), etc. It's absolutely criminal that people who can barely drive a compact are allowed to get in one of them.

            •  National Geographic last year (none / 1)

              They had an article about the end of cheap oil. In it, a two-page photo of a couple of kids playing around the family Hummer in suburban Atlanta. The mother's comment, which I'm typing here from memory, so I'm paraphrasing at best, was, 'whatever I bump into, I win'.

              Let's parse this out, shall we? Actually, I did this once before many months ago, but its a fun exercise in rhetoric and logic.

              'Whatever I bump into, I win.'

              'Whatever I bump into', excuses this woman of any responsibility for her lack of driving skills. Hey, bitch, how about not bumping into things? I-285 isn't your personal fucking bumper car rink.

              'Whatever I bump into', as if a 10,000 pound vehicle with bumpers higher off the ground than any other stock production vehicle simply bumps into objects. Of course, that's all you'll feel, so maybe that's what you meant.

              'Whatever I bump into, I win'; win what? certainly not in small-claims court, or traffic court. Notice use of the word 'win'; winning implies someone loses. She wins, what does she care if someone loses? Why should she give a shit that someone lost a limb, a child, a spouse? She won. Its all about her. She and her spawn are protected from any inconvenience at the expense of whatever she bumps into. Nevermind whether or not she's at fault; she ensures her own survival at all costs.

              It boils down to the ugliest example of an arrogant lack of personal responsibility for one's own driving habits, and a lack of any consideration for anybody else. Apparently, killing someone's son or daughter, husband or wife, doesn't weigh too heavily on her mind. And in a large SUV, in an offset-frontal crash, you are 4 times as likely to kill the other person than if you are in a mid-size car. In a side-impact crash, that number jumps to 27 times as likely.

              If this woman's horribly flawed logic holds water, then we all need to go out and buy bigger SUVs to rpotect ourselves from her, all in a futile game of endless escalation.

              I lost my faith in nihilism

              by PanzerMensch on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 10:30:54 AM PDT

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            •  It is Ironic (none / 0)

              You can drive like shit and still but a 2 ton vehicle. Meanwhile everyone I know drives little civics and such and we weave and bob like a lil Mack vs Mike Tyson cause it's our ass if they hit us. But if they hit us, we're dead and they're fine. Sounds fair.

              Meanwhile, my wallet's fatter cause I get better gas mileage and gues what... you have 300 HP, so what? You weight 5 times as much as me.
              Weave and bob.

          •  Heh. (none / 0)

            Nope I see it all the time on the DC-Herndon commute (only one more week!).

            Actually, though it doesn't make me look good, I had a nice run in with a Hummer on Fri. Going down the twisty 4 lane George Washington Parkway on the way home to DC, I got stuck behind two iiots in a Hummer pretty obviously doing an intentional parallel to a slow car. If the slow boy on the right sped up or slowed down to allow the increasing backup to pass through, the Hummer weenies matched.

            So, having a nice nimble Miata, I was able to slip through...and flipped off the Hummer. The idiots proceeded for five miles to try and run me off the road (all the way onto the Roosevelt Bridge). Then they almost rammed the concrete center divider and had to give up.

            Luckilly, I was a much better driver than them with a faster and more nimble car. No contest. Plus, they had to give up the little "rolling roadblock" game they were playing to do it.

            •  All Nimbly Bimbly (none / 0)

              Like I said, weave and bob.

              Call me what you may, but I always flick off Hummers.

              Sometimes you'll catch me yelling at them as if they could hear me.

              I wonder how I'm still alive at 5,10 130 pounds with the mouth of a gangsta outa Compton but really outta the subburbs.

              Ohh me.

      •  Some people call you (none / 0)

        "Some people call you the (fat, homophobic, materialistic) elites"

        "I call you 'my base'"

        --- George W Bush

        I truly believe this is why the Republiclowns actively refuse any regulation to increase fuel efficiency, especially anything which discourages needless SUV's.

        They are the party of dumb, rich and selfish---exact profile of the useless city SUV driver---and they know it.  

        And they like it.

        Fascism is indistinguishable from any parody thereof.

        by mbkennel on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 11:35:30 AM PDT

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    •  The problem here (none / 0)


      US manufacturers are getting hit because they are not used to provide energy-efficient products. So higher energy prices are likely to lead, among other consequences, to increased imports and more "restructuring" in the industrial heartland.

      Americans won't buy this type of thing until they absolutely have to. This is where gov't intervention would help. Both parties are to blame for this
      •  To get gov't intervention (4.00 / 3)

        you need public pressure / support for it. Now is the good time to drum it up.

        "Make a quick buck - save energy. Here's how"

        could be one of the slogans. and it applies both to consumers and companies.

        •  Frame it in capitalism. (none / 0)

          One of the biggest hurdles to overcome is the belief that the market will just correct this on its own. I'm not convinced that that's the case, especially when so many costs are not in fact built into capitalism - pollution cleanup costs, for instance, medical care for those suffering from respatory illnesses.

          If we can find a good way to market this not as regulation but as companies paying for what they use, as true capitalism in action, I think we have a better chance of getting it past the American public. Also, it has the advantage with that frame of being the truth.

        •  My point concerning this is... (none / 0)


          you need public pressure / support for it. Now is the good time to drum it up.

          There WON'T be any public pressure/support for it until a crisis is at hand. Government really needs to lead on something like this. Unfortunately the turds won't and the dems are too timid to try.

      •  Not just the Feds... (4.00 / 2)


        State government can help here too, and in many states we have a much better chance of getting action than we have in trying to get the Feds to act on anything.
      •  Thatīs not totally true (none / 0)

        Americans not buying it, I mean.

        An American label: Made in Germany

        Who is the biggest exporter of German-made washing machines to the United States? Not Miele or Bosch-Siemens, or any other German manufacturer. No, it's Whirlpool, the American appliance maker proudly reports.
        ...
        The necessary technology existed in Germany when Whirlpool decided to sell front-loading washers to Americans. So did a trained work force and a Whirlpool factory already making a European version of the front loader.
        ...
        Almost two million of the front loaders have been sold in the United States since 2001, at $1,200 apiece, and as demand rises, so do the shipments across the Atlantic.
        ...
        Maytag got into the front-loader market first, in the 1990s, but soon stumbled. Its Neptune model, engineered and made in the United States, suffered from a high repair rate. That gave Whirlpool's Duet front-loader an advantage, Fettig said; his company avoided the pitfalls by adopting the already kink-free German technology.

        Maytag, in a statement, said that it, too, has resorted to globalization to get back into the game. The newest model "is made in South Korea through a technology and manufacturing partnership with Samsung," Maytag said.
        ...
        The high-end, $1,200 model will continue to come from Schorndorf. The smaller Mexican front loaders, on the other hand, will be for the majority of American consumers and will be priced several hundred dollars less.

        •  Whirlpool now owns Maytag (none / 0)

          n/t
          •  Not according to their website (none / 0)

            Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some... farcical aquatic ceremony!

            by imatlas on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 01:25:56 PM PDT

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            •  Whirlpool buys Maytag for $1.7bn (none / 0)


              BBC NEWS | Business | Whirlpool buys Maytag for $1.7bn
              US household appliance firm Whirlpool signs a deal to buy Maytag - the company
              behind the Hoover brand - for $1.7bn.
              news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4174888.stm - 30k

              Whirlpool has a huge plant in Ft Smith AR., where my inlaws live.

              I keep up with their activities.  They also make appliances under the Sears Kenmore label.

              Cheers, James

              BTW -the websites of these Corps can be very slow in updating.  

              I bet Chevron still makes it a bitch to find any info on their Typhoon Deepsea Platform which was destroyed.

        •  A comment on the Neptune (none / 0)

          The Neptune washers really are crap.  I own one, and it's been repaired multiple times.  Maytag lost a class-action suit over the Neptune, and even then the negotiated settlement wasn't that great for those of us who bought one.  Mine has burned out components on its main control board 3 times now, and that's a $200 part if you're paying for it out of pocket.

          We'll definitely have to consider the Duet when the extended warranty on the Neptune runs out.  The reasoning for our purchase of the extended warranty, which covers 100% of parts & labor for 3 years, was that it was much cheaper than replacing the washer outright.  Otherwise that piece of crap would have been on the curb the next day.

          More on topic, the economic trade-offs for energy efficiency just kill me.  Until the $500 washing machine is as energy and water efficient as the $1200 washer, average efficiency will continue to be dragged down by the low end of the market.  Same thing with cars.  Seems like affordable refrigerators have gotten much better, though.

          -AG

          "Watching George Bush trying to govern is like
          watching a monkey trying to f**k a football."
          I'm a libertarian, pro-2A capitalist Democrat.

          by AlphaGeek on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 10:59:35 AM PDT

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          •  I was totally surprised (none / 0)

            by the $1,200 price.

            That must be the absolute top model!
            Or they´re gouging you in the USA.
            Front loaders in Germany start at around $300.
            Including one Whirlpool model. :)
            I suspect you could get a really good one here at $600.

            (I bought my washing machine back in 1993. IIRC back then it costed around DM 1,000. A "better" one because it already included enery efficiency and water saving measures. It´s still working without any repairs.)

  •  asdf (none / 0)

    Jerome:

    One of the things that I've been scratching my head over is the tankering of refined products to the US as an emergency "loan" in the wake of Katrina, to mitigate the impact of refinery damage on short to medium term prices.

    Do you have any information on the protocols surrounding the "redemption" of these loans - ie how and when the goods have to be returned, and, given the current inability of US refining capacity to meet demand going into the winter, is there a chance that there will be a "default" on this loan?

    •  Not sure (none / 0)

      But one of the articles above points out that Europe is exporting petrol (gasoline) to the US in normal times, so I suppose it could be easy to reduce volumes to rebuild stocks if necessary, especially in a case of "default".
      •  asdf (none / 0)

        I don't really see how that's possible given the current "free" market - if Europe stops tankering petrol to the US, prices simply rise there - leading to tankering from Europe, or elsewhere,  to cash-in on the economic opportunity.

        And this doesn't account for the fact that these stocks still need to be repaid somehow - unless the US pays cash to re-stock European supplies, I suppose. But this still entails a supply crunch at some point.

        At any rate, my back of the envelope calculations suggest that the US's lost refinery production will exceed the loans by up to 3 days of total US production by the end of October, with a likely additional 1.5 days by the end of November.

        •  Oh I agree (none / 0)

          the shortage will be felt worldwide, and the Transatlantic trade is one of the ways that prices are equalised in all regions, through arbitrage.

          If xx million barrels end up being lost permanently that would have been used, prices will go up to destroy the equivalent demand, whether in Europe or the US.

          I expect that demand will slow down more in the US because the absolute increases will be the same, but it's probably more painful psychologically to go from 3$/gal to 5$/gal than from 7$/gal to 9$/gal - but then again I may be wrong. Alternatives are easier to find in europe, maybe.

          •  lab mice (none / 0)

            But there are always "events", or the fear of them, that can confound that - how many more mass storm-induced, panic-driven auto-evacuations can the US cope with over the next two months?

            And is it psychologically more painful to leave the tank half-empty at present?

  •  Remember Blazing Saddles? (4.00 / 3)

    Jerome, not sure how "up" you are on Mel Brooks Movies.

    Somewhere in Blazing Saddles, Hedley Lamar (Harvey Korman) attemts to give deputy badges to a bunch of bandeleros (mexican outlaws) as he signs the banditos up to do some dirty work.

    The head bandito says, "Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges."

    That line shows up from time to time with the word "Badges" replaced.

    My offering for your manifesto, "Oil? We don't need no stinkin oil."

    Or put another way, "Energy Independence for a secure America"

    ARB

  •  Where does the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (none / 0)

    fit into all this? Will this help ordinary consumers? I think many ordinary Americans are expecting Bush to release this oil to lower their gas and heating oil bills this winter.

    Bush may tap strategic oil reserve as prices soar.

    •  asdf (none / 1)

      The problem is that the US's SPR consists of crude oil, not refined products - and up to 30 million barrels has already been released to cover supply disruptions due to the loss of GoM crude production after Katrina. The current loss of production reported by the MMS, as of this Tuesday, is already 37.9 million barrels, and this figure will rise substantially by the end of the year.

      At present, releases from the SPR can only protect against further price rises - they cannot send the price materially lower.

    •  Releases from the SPR (4.00 / 2)

      Bush has already released crude from the SPR after Katrina.  That helped to stabilize oil prices and along with a release of refined gasoline from European reserves helped to reduce pump prices.  Further releases from the SPR may help a little, especially if crude oil flow from the gulf is restricted, but the biggest problem at the moment is refinery capacity.  Essentially, the crude oil producers sell to the refiners who sell to the distributors (gas stations, heating oil suppliers  etc..).  At the moment, refiners have no spare capacity, so a release from the SPR will bring down their input cost a notch, but will not increase the supply of refined products, it will only increase the  "crack" margin for the same amount of product.
    •  Short answer: No. (none / 0)

      Not as long as restricted domestic refinery output capacity (not crude oil supply)  is the rate-limiting step to getting gasoline and fuel oil into vehicles and home furnaces.
  •  Thank You (none / 1)

    I look forward to your energy/ peak oil diaries. Thank you for all the great work you're doing keeping me informed.
  •  It's showing up in the Graph (4.00 / 4)

    (From SoapBlox/Chicago)

    All the progress in restoring oil and gas production from the gulf after Katrina was lost to Rita. Indeed oil production is now worse than after Katrina. More worrisome is the fact that production is not returning like it did after Katrina. Almost immediately after Katrina production began to return and after about a week it was about half restored. Repairs then hit a plateau.

    Then Rita hit and still after nearly a week there has been practically no progress in restarting production. This is not looking good. If you go to the market price graph you will see a new spike in gas prices yesterday and today. Gas is now 100% higher than in June.

     Shut-In Oil and Gas  Market Gas Prices

    Oil annd Gas Shut-in  Natural Gas Prices    Click image to enlarge.

  •  Those labour party pledges... (none / 1)

    seem to be a bit vauge and open to interpretation. Shouldn't we try and come up with something a bit more focused?

    I like the idea of a "one state" or 1/50th or 2% approach. Increase renewables by 2% of total usage, 2% reduction in emmissions, consumption etc.

    "One clean state in 2008" sounds catchy doesn't it? Probably way too optomistic though.

  •  About Point #4 (3.75 / 4)

    And I'm somewhat hesitant to rais this point considering the grief I took in the other thread a couple of days ago (it seems that no one wants to take a look at the actual statistical data regarding USA manufacturing), but bashing US industry should really take a huge backseat to bashing US consumers.  

    Industry itself has made significant strides to becoming much more energy efficient over the past three decades (in stark contrast to SUV-loving USA consumers).

    Title:MORE PROFIT WITH LESS CARBON.Authors:Lovins, Amory B.1,2Source:Scientific American; Sep2005, Vol. 293 Issue 3, p74-83

    ". . . .Over the past decade, chemical manufacturer DuPont has boosted production nearly 30 percent but cut energy use 7 percent and greenhouse gas emissions 72 percent (measured in terms of their carbon dioxide equivalent), saving more than $2 billion so far. Five other major firms--IBM, British Telecorn, Alcan, NorskeCanada and Bayer--have collectively saved at least another $2 billion since the early 1990s by reducing their carbon emissions more than 60 percent. In 2001 oil giant BP met its 2010 goal of reducing carbon dioxide emissions 10 percent below the company's 1990 level, thereby cutting its energy bills $650 million over 10 years. And just this past May, General Electric vowed to raise its energy efficiency 30 percent by 2012 to enhance the company's shareholder value. These sharp-penciled firms, and dozens like them, know that energy efficiency improves the bottom line and yields even more valuable side benefits: higher quality and reliability in energy-efficient factories, 6 to 16 percent higher labor productivity in efficient offices, and 40 percent higher sales in stores skillfully designed to be illuminated primarily by daylight.

    The U.S. now uses 47 percent less energy per dollar of economic output than it did 30 years ago, lowering costs by $1 billion a day. These savings act like a huge universal tax cut that also reduces the federal deficit. Far from dampening global development, lower energy bills accelerate it . . . "

    NOTE THAT THIS IS FROM SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, A JOURNAL THAT HAS PUBLISHED SEVERAL SCATHING ARTICLES ON THE BUSH/REPUBLICAN APPROACH TO SCIENCE - IT's NOT COMING FROM THE CATO INSTITUTE (or other neo-con, right-wingnut organization).

    •  The Lovins article in Scientific American ... (none / 1)

      ... is a damn good read, and available for free (.pdf) from Lovins' Rocky Mountain Institute web site, at:

      More Profit With Less Carbon.

      (and as my sig line indicates, I'm constantly promoting another RMI work of high value:  Winning the Oil Endgame, also a free .pdf)

      Personally, I think the title of the Scientific American article is far too rosy for current conditions, but the message is extremely helpful -- there is a shitload of room for cost-effective energy efficiency improvements in the USA.  We'd better get going on them, pronto.

      Why, no ... I'm not voting for John McCain.

      by by foot on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:14:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Related note ... (none / 1)

      ... I think industry, consumers, institutions, and governments share responsibility for the problems we've created.  Some industry has certainly been looking for ways to do better (IBM's making huge progress on the facility near where I live).  But I see enormous waste out there as well.

      At the same time, while the untapped efficiencies in the residential sector are vast, I can think of a lot of friends who've invested in efficiency & renewables for home over the past few years.

      We're all in this together.  We all have work to do.  Let's get to it.

      Why, no ... I'm not voting for John McCain.

      by by foot on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:17:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Good article... (none / 0)


      The guy has a house that is so energy efficient that it doesn't even need/have a furnace (lives in Colorado, so a traditional house would definitely need a furnace).  He jokingly says that he can increase the temperature a little bit by playing with his dog.

      What I want to know is the details on how his home was built, and whether any of the techniques would be more broadly applicable, and whether they can be retrofitted into an existing house - if I could cut my heating/cooling by half I would be delighted.

      •  Not sure if that's a joke about the dog (none / 0)

        I recall the old Boston Garden (apparently greatly lacking in ventilation/air conditioning/heating, whatever) where the temperature would rapidly rise from 65F to 85F upon filling with people (while, at the same time the outside temperature was declining, since most event were held at the onset of nightfall).

        The point being, 65% of energy is lost to heat in even the most efficient  internal combustion engines - mammalian metabolism might be a bit less wasteful but it's far from being 100% efficient.  Therefore, if this energy could be efficiently captured, why not exploit it?

      •  1983 technology in the house ... (none / 0)

        ... as originally built.  I'm suspect there've been some upgrades.

        I haven't done a lot of reading on retrofits, but enough to gather the idea that very significant efficiency gains are possible.  They'd clearly cost some dough, but there sure are a pile of low-cost and medium-cost solutions that are worth pursuing before an all-out retrofit.

        Check out the First Things First article on the RMI site to get ideas about possibilities, and strategies for pursuing them.

        I'd also add that any impending furnace or AC replacements could be an especially good time to consider efficiency retrofits ... if you're considering laying out $2-3K for new equipment, you might find that efficiency upgrades can make it possible to buy smaller equipment, and the capital savings may substantially pay for the efficiency upgrades.  

        RMI's Household Energy Briefs (pdfs) are also a great resources, as are the pages on household measures to combat climate change.

        Why, no ... I'm not voting for John McCain.

        by by foot on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:46:15 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Couple of books (4.00 / 2)

        The best book I've seen on the subject (and keep in mind I have looked at this a lot since the 80s) is The Superinsulated Home Book by Nisson and Dutt (Wiley is the publisher). The absolute best book I've seen on homebuilding is From the Ground Up by Cole and Wing, which covers energy use as part of an overall discussion of home construction, and gives simple explanations of the physics involved. Both are probably out of print, but I'd think you could find used copies.

        Both books are geared toward new home construction, but the same principles apply to retrofit - it's just harder to remodel than to build from scratch, esp where energy conservation is concerned. The second book also emphasizes passive solar heating, which is great if your house or site can accomodate it.

        I designed and built a house in 1984 based in large part on the second book. In S WI (about 7500 degree-days/yr) I could heat it with less than 3/4 of a cord of hardwood, and the house was toasty at -25F. My sister and her husband designed their house based largely on the first book but had someone else build it. Don't know about their energy consumption, but I'm sure it was low. They did a lot of stuff I didn't (low E windows, heat exchanger for ventilation).

        An energy efficient house doesn't require a lot of new or expensive technology (although again, remodeling is more difficult than new) - a lot of it comes down to using available sunlight, insulating, caulking, weatherstripping and reducing heat loss through windows and doors.

        I have my fears, but they do not have me - Peter Gabriel

        by badger on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 08:51:19 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Manufacturers (none / 0)

      There has been a significant push in manufacturing to reduce energy consumption per unit produced. In automotive for instance, at the assembly plants nearly all hydraulics have been replaced with direct electric drive, much of the pneumatic operations have been replaced with electric, welding is switching from dc to ac and automation has allowed dark shops in some operations, literally no lights.  Energy use has certainly been improved.  You are correct in that the consumers up until recently have been buying gas hogs with little or no concern for energy efficiency.  

      The BTU/GDP ratio changes over the past decade, however are due in larger part to the changes in the US economy, the shift from manufacturing to services, than the cost cutting measures undertakenby the manufacturing sector.  

      •  OK, please tell me where I'm wrong (none / 0)

        According to a Google search, the total economy grows at about 3.2% in the USA each year (don't think that number is all that controversial, if anything it'd be a bit optimistic for the past 2 decades).

        Then, from 1986-2005, the total economy should have grown 88%.

        Now, with actual manufacturing statistics, manufacturing in the USA has grown by 72% since 1986 -  really, that's not a huge difference from the overall growth of the economy and discounts your hypothesis that economic growth has been driven by the service section (a separate issue is employment, which has definitely shifted to services as labor-intensive manufacturing sectors have been decimated in the USA).   The bottom line is that  the actual level of manufacturing in the USA - including energy-intesive sectors - has more or less mirrored overall economic growth in recent decades (of course, whether it benefits the population to have robots making things for other robots to use is valid)..

    •  Natural Capitalism (none / 0)

      I'm currently finishing up Natural Capitalism by Hawkins, Lovins, and Lovins.  Great stuff.  The Scientific American article is more or less an excerpt.

      Most of the ideas are familiar.  Stuff like the Toyota Production System (muda), lean manufacturing, theory of constraints, environmental economics, etc.  

      One big idea, which was new to me, was changing the emphasis from labor productivity to resource productivity.

      I'm very eager read feedback and criticisms of this book from serious economists and observers.

  •  Four points (4.00 / 4)

    1. Obtaining energy supplies sufficient to sustain a stable, much less growing US economy is now a national emergency.

    2. Rigorous, substantial and sustained effort must be engaged to make the US economy and infrastructure much more energy efficient.

    3. Rigorous, substantial and sustained effort must be engaged to develop and implement energy resources and production methods that do not rely on petrochemicals.

    4. These efforts must be supported by strong leadership and significantly increased funding from the Federal Government.

    Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

    by sxwarren on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:06:20 AM PDT

    •  Expanded "Four Points" (4.00 / 2)

      1)  Obtaining energy supplies sufficient to sustain a stable, much less growing US economy is now a national emergency.

       -  Discuss the projected stages of Peak Oil, Peak NG, Peak Hydro.  Discuss their effects on gasoline prices and home heating, electric power generation, projected costs to American industries and effects on consumers and consumer spending.  Describe the timeline, discuss the time and geopolitical constraints for bringing new petrochemical extraction and production resources online and the practical limits of their effectiveness.

      2)  Rigorous, substantial and sustained effort must be engaged to make the US economy and infrastructure much more energy efficient.

       - Discuss conservation potentially achievable through behavioral changes, including product selection, in terms of saved energy costs, short term and long term.

      3)  Rigorous, substantial and sustained effort must be engaged to develop and implement energy resources and production methods that do not rely on petrochemicals.

       - Discuss potential petrochemical replacements, their current development status, implementation constraints and solutions, potential downsides that must be addressed, timeline to implementation on a sufficient scale, effectiveness in short-term and long-term.

      4)  These efforts must be supported by strong leadership and significantly increased funding from the Federal Government.

       - Discuss what the Federal Government can do and how much it may cost, what immediate side effects various efforts may have on the economy and the price of energy.

      Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

      by sxwarren on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:28:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  A suggestion? (4.00 / 2)

        I don´t know but I think we should avoid using words that might "frighten" people. Especially if we´re using short soundbites.

        So:
        1)  Obtaining energy supplies sufficient to sustain a stable, much less growing US economy is now a national emergency.

        Instead of "a stable, much less growing US economy", couldn´t we say "a stable US economy and environment for its people"?
        Simply avoiding the term "much less growing". Today it´s "published wisdom" that a fast growing economy is good, a less growing bad. If people read your first point on Jerome´s "card", you´ll probably lose them.

        [Expanded point 2]
        - Discuss conservation potentially achievable through behavioral changes, including product selection, in terms of saved energy costs, short term and long term.

        Maybe don´t start with "behavioral changes". I believe people don´t like being told that they must first "change". Start with product selection like buying more energy efficient equipment and cars, building more energy efficient houses etc. And then mention behavioral changes. As in if you can´t buy a better car (mpg-wise) then you can change your driving style to safe gas for example.

        Don´t misunderstand me!  I like your four points. I just think that we can´t change the "belief" of most people that fast.
        If you tell them to change their behaviour, you might lose them. If you show them that different product selection safes them money (lower energy bill), you win.

        •  Not certain I agree entirely. (none / 0)

          The Republicans have been successfully motivating people for years by playing the "fear" card.  I don't mind "puttin' the fear o' Gawd" into people about this situation, if straight talk does that.  I believe we really are in a crisis and gettng deeper every minute, but all anyone with the power to change things has done is sugar coat it or tell people that it's being taken care of.

          Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

          by sxwarren on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 11:18:35 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Another suggestion (none / 1)

        Job creation is an important selling point for investment in renewable energy and increased energy efficiency.

        • Creating a rapidly growing renewable energy sector in the United States would create hundreds of thousands of good jobs, and increase the competitiveness of the US economy.

        • Improved energy efficiency standards and federal assistance to meet those standards would help US companies maintain competitiveness in the global economy.

        Where the DEVIL is Greendale?

        by ozretiro on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 10:04:47 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Suggestion for the card (none / 0)

    "We have 2 large-scale sources of baseload electricity, coal and nuclear."

    Then either:

    "Energy equivalent of 1 pound of uranium = 1,000,000 pounds of coal."

    or:

    "Energy supplied by a one 4-oz.uranium fuel pellet=
    149 gallons of oil
    157 gallons of regular gasoline
    21,000 cu. ft. of natural gas
    1,780 lbs. of coal."

    The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

    by Plan9 on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:35:21 AM PDT

  •  Public Transportation & Mass Transit Solutions (4.00 / 2)

    No one is talking about the commute and state to state travel.  The entire country should have mass transit options similar to the NE corridor, but we do not.

    Congress is trying to kill all Amtrak subsidies in order to pay for Katrina.  Very screwed up thinking...

  •  OK Jerome, you win (none / 0)

    I'm another former lurker coming out of the woodwork to let you know that I really appreciate your diaries (and Bonddad's) and have them specifically bookmarked.

    As my nom de blog indicates, I have given a lot of thought to economic issues, and I've read a lot of history.  I am going to start posting diaries setting forth my ideas for an affirmative democratic agenda that I think can be framed in 10 second sound bytes.  Energy will be one of those issues.

    OK, then.  Looking forward hopefully to a good correspondence with you.

    "When the going gets tough, the tough get 'too big to fail'."

    by New Deal democrat on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:52:39 AM PDT

  •  Manufactured refinery crisis - windfall profits (4.00 / 3)

    Internal Memos Show Oil Companies Intentionally Limited Refining Capacity To Drive Up Gasoline Prices


    The three internal memos from Mobil, Chevron, and Texaco (Click here to read the memos.) show different ways the oil giants closed down refining capacity and drove independent refiners out of business. The confidential memos demonstrate a nationwide effort by American Petroleum Institute, the lobbying and research arm of the oil industry, to encourage the major refiners to close their refineries in the mid-1990s in order to raise the price at the pump.

    "It's now obvious to most Americans that we have a refinery shortage," said petroleum consultant Tim Hamilton, who authored a recent report about oil company price gouging for FTCR. (Click here to read the report.) "To point to the environmental laws as the cause simply misses the fact that it was the major oil companies, not the environmental groups, that used the regulatory process to create artificial shortages and limit competition."

    Republicans : Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor

    by ctsteve on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 05:57:42 AM PDT

    •  BS (none / 0)

      Independent refiners were not driven out of business. Rather, they grew from 28% to 46% of refining capacity in the years around those memos. Total refinery capacity in that period only dropped 2%, as inefficient refineries were closed and efficient refineries were expanded. We are only seeing price increases TEN YEARS LATER. This is not a manufactured crisis. Misinformation and conspiracy theories do not help when we are experiencing a genuine crisis.
  •  I don't have much confidence that any... (4.00 / 2)

    of my notions will stick, but nevertheless:

    1. Public transportation; trains, trains and more trains.

    2. Make our cities and villages more livable; let the suburbs die.

    3. Encourage organic, alternative energy powered farming. Read biodiesel, solar, wind and actual horsepower.

    4. Do everything possible to curtail burning oil and save it for our old age. If we vaporize it until it's price is prohibitive, the tsunami of aging baby boomers that is most of us won't have enough for the medical supplies we're going to need in the last years of our lives.

    </dream>

    Mama, could we buy stuff made in China if we moved there? -- My six year-old son.

    by leolabeth on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 06:02:07 AM PDT

    •  damn it--its price is prohibitive <dopeslap> (none / 0)

      Mama, could we buy stuff made in China if we moved there? -- My six year-old son.

      by leolabeth on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 07:11:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Let the suburbs die. (none / 0)

      There will always be a place for the suburbs.  They will go out of fashion if we start investing in public transportation for the cities. When public transportation is combined with transportation oriented development everyone wins.  When we keep putting new schools, roads and utilities in the suburbs and taxing everyone to pay for them, the suburbs are more attractive.
      New gasoline prices may change things.

      The end result will be suburbs for those who want them.  City living for the rest of us.

      •  If we developed them as they have in the UK... (none / 0)

        I would agree that there may be a place for them.

        The British require than any new development be attached by transportation and public utilities to existing villages and cities. This allows sewer treatment, water and waste programs to grow at pace.

        (They also create satellite-ish villages--or at least I've seen them in Scotland--that are self-contained, not as successfully.)

        What we do mostly, at least here in rural Maine, is sell one to two acre lots in the middle of nowhere with little or no concern for services, safety, schools or the environment. The multiple septic systems alone create unwieldy problems.

        Of course we can do better, but we'll have to fight the Property Rights people more effectively than we have so far.

        Mama, could we buy stuff made in China if we moved there? -- My six year-old son.

        by leolabeth on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 12:33:44 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  3 for the card (none / 1)

    1. A secure homeland comes from being energy self sufficient.
    2. 50% (or whatever number) of gas taxes will be used to fund development of alternative energy solutions  
    3. 10% of the defense department budget will be reallocated to funding solar, wind, and other homeland security energy projects.

    BTW Jerome - thanks for the plug for my diary. Also  if you are interested there is a great discussion board on energy at
    CWEI

    Check out especially the posts by Robry852 and Todd1956. Todd's posts of late have really opened a lot of eyes as to the so far "hidden" natural gas "issues" after Rita and Katrina. This as an example
    Todd

    I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong- Feynman

    by taonow on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 06:03:02 AM PDT

  •  American-Made Energy Secures America's Future (none / 1)

    we've got to keep the message very short, as our attention span and ability to digest complex data (broadly speaking) is rather limited (e.g., Faux News, CNN...).  Lots of good discussion, but not too many replies to the original request.  Here's mine:

    Title: American-Made Energy Secures America's Future

    1. America must reduce its dependence on foreign oil by XX% within Y years(we can debate X & Y till the cows come home. I say we start with 50% within 10 years).

    2. America must aggressively deploy renewable energies to ensure the security of our nation and the safety of our economy.

    3. Americans must reduce energy consumption by XX% within Y years (again ever-debatable but I recommend we start with 25% within 5 years).

    4. America will lead the world in the development of renewable energy and related technologies which will provide sustainable job growth for American workers.

    That's as good as I can do for now.  The parts in italics could be left out to keep the bullets even shorter, but are important so that folks have specific targets to achieve.  Please keep up the great work.

    Energize America: Demand Energy Security by 2020!

    by Doolittle Sothere on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 06:04:15 AM PDT

  •  Point 4 is weak (none / 0)

    Chinese dominance in white goods would appear to be a manufacturing and sale cost issue.
  •  Quibble (none / 1)

    Room air conditioners and the American market:

    The line in the article about energy-efficient air conditioners blames American manufacturers for the recent loss of that market to abroad (essentially, China). But it's not efficiency that did it. The most efficient room air conditioners have for some years been, and still are, made by Friedrich in America.

    But what's happened is the second-tier manufacturers have been done in by Chinese production costs. Small window units made in China now retail for about $90. Five years ago, the American version of a unit with similar efficiency went for over $300. The Koreans and then Chinese were able to come in about $100 below that at first, and to drop prices every year since.

    And the American, union-made Fedders I got a decade ago for $450 (a mid-sized unit), can be replaced today by an outsource-to-China Fedders of the same capacity and efficiency for about $180.
    The Friedrich is still more efficient, but still costs hundreds more. Unless they send their manufacturing to Asia, Americans (like me) will buy the less efficient Asian units because it still takes a long time to realize energy savings that are greater than the price difference for the unit.

  •  As far as nuclear goes........ (none / 0)

    I feel that that is not the way to go.  There are still too many unacceptables that go along with nuclear, and chief among them is the waste storage problem.

    Hydrogen certainly has a bright future, along with solar, wind, and some others.  As for me, I'm big on solar.  I'm always preaching solar to people who will listen.  If I could, I would love to have a medium-sized home somewhere that is totally solar.  The advances being made in solar these days is amazing.  Roof shingles that are solar panels is one that really excites me.  There are no ugly looking contraptions sticking up from the roof.  Solar components are also getting smaller and more efficient.  Solar excites me.  There are plenty of investment opportunities still to be had in solar, not to mention being a good job-maker too.  

    There are a lot of opportunities for all Americans in alternative energy.

    Great diary Jerome.  Keep 'em coming!

    If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    by Mz Kleen on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 06:10:35 AM PDT

    •  The nuclear waste disposal problem (none / 1)

      Is mainly a political, not a technological problem.

      For example, nuclear 'waste' itself contains alot of energy, which could be put to good use.  But - and here's a delicious irony for the nuclear power proponents in the Bush Administration - almost all reprocessing schemes involve the generation of plutonium - which is scary, scary, scary if the terrorists get a hold of it (ha, ha, ha  - some of that fear-mongering is coming back to bite you in the ass Mr. Cheney?).

      •  I think the Bushco (none / 0)

        folks are counting on that irony. They keep researching ways to deploy, use, more nuke bombs. Those people are dangerous.

        And I don't consider that the waste problem is mostly political. Have you looked at the half life of some of those components? Can we really store anything for long enough til it gets safe? That is, of course, assuming with a lot of hubris, that we'll be around as a responsible civilization 10 times longer from now than human civilization has existed. Talk about required long term planning!

        Just think how proud you'll be to tell your kids how you voted this year.

        by DyspepTex on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 07:41:01 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The whole point is NOT to (none / 1)

          "store anything (e.g., nuclear waste) until it gets safe"

          That's not necessary - the technology exists to deal with the byproducts in the here and now.  

          One option is to 'harvest' energy from the waste.

          Another is to transmute 'waste' isotopes

          In the past (on this site or elsewhere) a more detailed discussion of the costs of this technology was worked out to be in the ballbark of the horrifying-large $8 billion/year for appying these technologies to neutralize waste from the US alone.   Clearly, industry does not want to pay this cost and how could any progressive justify this level of government funding (painted as a subsidy to halliburton et al) when children are going hungry?

          In the meantime, we spend that much every week on importing oil and on wars intended to guarantee future supplies of imported oil.  Go figure.

          •  Don't mind doing the research (none / 0)

            and if these lasers work GREAT!.

            But I kinda object to building a lot of nuclear power plants in anticipation of a technology that it's designer said could be 10-20 years down the road. Or not at all.

            I understand some of the radioactive decay process, and it's cool that you can accelerate it by using lasers.That said, most radioactive decay is accompanied by its own nasty by-products. And, perhaps worse, has a tendency to contaminate, and "transmute" some  of the reactor and containment vessels into radioactive waste as well.

            Are we gonna be melting all the steel and concrete with highpower lasers, as well?

            Lastly, as Lovins pointed out 20 years ago, one of the real problems with nuclear power is that it makes it very difficult to manage non-proliferation. How can we deny a reactor to Iran if we rely upon them ourselves. Then, once Iran has a reactor, how can we be so sure that someone over there isn't ginning up a bomb to ward off the nasty US from taking their oil supplies. It's a very dangerous circle.

            Just think how proud you'll be to tell your kids how you voted this year.

            by DyspepTex on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 08:33:05 AM PDT

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        •  Public perception of nuclear waste (none / 1)

          The public perception that radioactive wastes are more dangerous than the billions of tons of nondecaying toxic waste accumulating around the US and the world is a perception heightened by the ideological controversy over nuclear power.
          In the short term, nuclear waste is dangerous and must be shielded by concrete a foot thick or its equivalent.

          Especially during the first 100 years, when 90 percent of the toxicity decays away, radioactive wastes require special treatment. But after 500 or 600 years, these wastes, especially if reprocessed, pose hazards that are comparable to those of many nonradioactive hazardous wastes. Ensuring safety for 500 years is a serious challenge, but it poses very different regulatory and safety issues than does safe storage for tens of thousands of years. Providing safety for longer periods should remain a priority, but it makes little sense to impose radically different regimes for two forms of waste if the long-term health risks are substantially the same. Changing this situation will be difficult, given established public concerns and regulatory processes for nuclear waste. The National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements has stepped in and suggested a technical approach for consistently classifying the long-term risks of chemical and nuclear wastes, but the critical stumbling block is applying such a standard and removing the inconsistency in regulatory regimes. A credible evaluation by an organization such as the National Research Council that focuses on this dichotomy and makes recommendations for harmonizing the two regulatory approaches might create conditions in which a genuine policy dialogue could begin.
          A second key is to reconsider the reprocessing of spent fuel, a process in which plutonium and uranium are chemically separated from spent fuel so that they can be reused, as is done in France. Sustaining nuclear power for the long term eventually will require reprocessing to fully exploit the energy potential of uranium. Reprocessing will make it possible to tap the energy potential of the 99 percent of uranium238 that is virtually useless without reprocessing. Reprocessing also makes the disposal problem more manageable, because it reduces the long-term health risks and the volume of waste, while lowering the heat loading on a repository during the early years.

          http://www.issues.org/issues/21.3/lorenzini.html

          http://www.issues.org/issues/21.3/lorenzini.html

          The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

          by Plan9 on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 09:45:25 AM PDT

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    •  If you want a hydrogen economy (none / 1)


      ...then please be aware that at present the manufacture of hydrogen (in oil refineries) is a very dirty business.  Extraction of hydrogen from coal ditto.  The only large-scale way to make the quantity of hydrogen envisioned by promoters of the hydrogen economy is with nuclear reactors.  Solar is great, but it is a weak and diffuse source of energy.  Good for your rooftop but not likely to power heavy industry--the kind required to build solar panels and wind turbines--in the next several decades.

      As for nuclear waste--it's a political and perceptual problem, not a technological one.

      The environmental and human health advantages of nuclear power over coal--even including accidents and nuclear waste--are actually well known. In his 1990 analysis The Nuclear Energy Option, University of Pittsburgh physics professor Bernard Cohen lists no fewer than 23 studies comparing coal with nuclear power. These include studies by the American Medical Association, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Stanford Research Institute, the Norwegian Ministry of Oil and Energy, and the National Academy of Sciences. All of these studies came to the same conclusion: that coal was far more hazardous, both to the environment and to human health, than nuclear power. According to a 2004 report for the EPA's Clean Air Task Force, as many as 26,000 U.S. deaths a year can be attributed to the ambient particulate emissions in the atmosphere from coal-burning power plants. In terms of health effects, that's roughly equivalent to one Chernobyl accident every two or three years. The report, which was intended to assess the relative effectiveness of policy approaches to reducing the harmful effects of coal combustion, estimated that even after federal action, coal-related deaths in 2010 would still range from 7,800 to 17,000, depending on the policy alternative adopted.

      The overwhelming conclusion is that nuclear power is better than coal for both the environment and human health. That conclusion not only runs counter to the consistently shrill rhetoric